Graphics and Gore (Cars, Art and Life): 2011

Ebay is a wonder. Fascinating, rewarding, dangerous...for both buyers and sellers. As a long time buyer, and a fanatical watcher of auctions I've come to glean a few tips that, I hope, will be useful for those contemplating or currently selling cars in eBay Motors. I'd like to cover listings, display and description, successes and failures, caveats, dangers and scams, and finally, alternatives. And while it is mostly geared to 911's and other Porsche's, the basic points apply to all cars.

Personally, I don't care what software you use to list on eBay. Whether you use eBay's own tools, or a third party offering such as GarageSale (on the Mac). They mostly do the same thing...get your car exposed to thousands of buyers. And that's the point. You want to expose your car in the most appealing, open way. We're not talking about attic junk, inexpensive merchandise, or the like. We're talking about a relatively expensive item. And in a medium that is fraught with dangers, both on the selling and buying ends. You need to keep in mind that the buyer needs the assurance that they are dealing with an honest seller, who will make every effort to present their offering in a way that is clear and open. If anything I say is meaningful, this is probably it.

But let me put it even more bluntly. Clarity means money. I've seen dozens of cars go for way under the money because the seller didn't have a clue. Poor title, bad pictures, descriptions that are either lacking or deceptive. These are all pocketbook killers. And time wasters. Your time, especially.

Let's start...

The Listing Title

Of course, the basics are Year and Model. But you need to add some sizzle to drum up interest. 2002 Carrera 996 is ok, but perhaps adding words relating to options, warranty, location (especially in a road salt free area), etc. provide a more concise opening to your listing.

On the other hand, one listing I thought was terrible had the title "Clean Title, No liens". I would hope so already. Don't state the obvious. And if the title wasn't clean, and/or there were liens better to mention that in the body of the listing. Buyers will find out eventually.

The eBay stuff

Under the main head lies the basic info on the car...VIN, mileage, color, options, etc. Most things are automatic but make sure you list options. If you don't have the 'option' to check off, include it in the body copy. You want to sell the car, don't you?

Main Copy

You're selling two things. The car and yourself. You're asking a person to spend thousands of dollars. If you aren't a dealer with a nationwide reputation, you need to reassure the buyer that you are a caring owner who has treated your Porsche like your baby. In the UK, service history and where the car was maintained is of supreme importance. To me, it is too. If you kept records, and hopefully you have, state it. If some specialist did the servicing, state it.

Offer a chance for interested buyers to get a Pre-Purchase inspection. A listing is available at:

http://www.platz.com/servicecenters.html

I always recommend an inspection. It's a good investment. It also shows that you have faith in your car. Remember, the more you put into the selling of your car, the more you'll get in the end. Of course, not everyone has the time. But try. Also try to be available for personal visits.

Another good thing to mention is any Porsche affiliation. PCA members, this is a big plus. Don't be shy. Hey, and if the car won any awards at shows, don't be modest.

Of course, try to be honest about the car. Is it a salvage title? Well, you should mention that. If they order a CarFax they are going to find out anyway. Same for bad accidents. A small dent, well. Body work that was cosmetic and repaired. I leave that up to you.

Conversely, talk about condition, especially if it is a plus point. Lack of road chips, scratches, original paintwork, etc. Pluses.

But don't lie. You're going to back it up with photos!

Also, if you use one of those checklists which have all the points and a grading range, excellent to poor, don't check off excellent if that area leaves much to be desired. One dealer has been listing the same car for months now. His pictures are good. But they also reveal leather seats with pronounced cracking. It's obvious. But he has 'Excellent' checked off under condition for the seats. Hey, if he's stretching the truth on that, what else is he hiding. Now I emailed him with links to leather products that could fix them up. But rather than spend twenty or so bucks fixing them, he keeps on listing the car. Oh yeah, his engine bay is dirty. And this is a dealer! So far he's gotten bids up to $24,000. He's asking $32,500. He relisted twice with an opening bid of $27,000. No takers. Is this an IQ test?

Photography

I'm a firm believer in the value of good photography in selling cars. And I've seen hundreds of cars not selling because the pictures were few, overexposed, too small, etc. I don't know if the seller is uncaring, hiding something, or just lazy. Do I want to spend tens of thousands on a car that I can't see in person or at least photos. Simply put, Good Photos sell Good Cars.

A good example of listings that show cars off to good advantage is SportsCarShop in Oregon. I can't provide a link since listings end, but here's a link to their website. Their listings just repeat this.

http://www.sportscarshop.com/cgi-bin/k9bytes.pl

I like how they group their photos with a descriptive paragraph. And they even put the car up on a lift to show off how clean they are. It's reassuring. I don't know them, but I would buy from them.

The more photos (within reason) the more likely you'll sell your car. And that's what you want to do, isn't it?

What do I hate? Out of focus pictures. Overexposed, lack of contrast, no shots of the engine bay or boot, the wheels and tires, etc. Need I go on? Think of it this way. Your photographs are a substitute for the buyers doing a personal inspection of the car. Would you want to inspect a car in the dark? Have a one minute time limit? I don't think so.

Take your pictures either earlier in the day or later, but not at night. The sunlight can wash out details. A bleached out look to the car will make the buyer have second thoughts.

Remember this point. At major auctions, the sellers that stay by their cars, answering questions, allowing punters to examine their cars, etc. achieve significantly higher prices. Treat your auction the same. Show off your car in pictures. Answer questions quickly and thoroughly. Make more money.

Know Your Car (Model Selling Points)

For each model, even each year there are points that you can make that sell you car. Here's a few:

356 range -- Obviously the most important things are a rust-free body (or repair work to make it such), originality, matching numbers, etc.

Early 911's -- Probably one of the hottest areas in the market. Again, body integrity, matching numbers. The earliest cars are more eligible for historic events. Later, 'long chassis' cars are better handling.

1974-1989 -- Again, body condition for non-galvanized cars is important. 1988-89 cars, the G50 transmission. Engine modifications like hydraulic tensioners should be noted.

964's -- As this line went on, major improvements occured. Mention all updates such as breather hose on distributors, or belt changes also for this failure range.

993's -- 1995's (Non-Variocams) don't have the carbon buildup that the later engines had, so longer life without top end rebuild. Later cars have more power. Of course, these are the last air-cooled cars. "S" cars carry a premium, don't underprice your cars.

996's -- 3.6 engine more powerful. State if your 3.4 or 3.6 engine has any updates such as RMS work. 2002 onwards more creature comforts. 1999 - 2001 good value. Tiptronics have less RMS problems.

997's -- Well, great cars but depreciation is hard to gauge. But the buyers here are looking for the cleanest, newest looking car.

914's -- Getting hotter. Personally I prefer the 2.0's or the 6's. Upgraded shifters,, other upgrades or improvements...talk it up.

928's -- Later models have more improvements generally, and the prices reflect that. Unfortunately, this is a very expensive car to deal with. Any remedial work should be mentioned...engine work, electrical, etc. It's scary what it costs to fix the most minor thing. But they are good cars when running.

Front Engined Porsches -- Well, not as knowledgeable here. 924's actually finally getting some respect. 944's and 968's selling and good value for dollar. I'll get to this eventually.

Cayenne's -- Do you bother reading about Porsche's?

Pricing your Baby

Here is a grey area. A good start is the pricing sites. NADA and Kelley Blue Book are two.

http://www.nadaguides.com/

http://www.kbb.com/kbb/Default.aspx

Excellence magazine is a fantastic resource. Bruce Anderson has both Market Reports talking about ac†ual sales, and his Market Update covering a section of the marketplace (for 993's, 914's, Early 911's, Turbo's, etc.) with very up-to-date pricing in varying degrees of condition. I can't recommend it more. And his brother Steve's illustration work is superb!

Also, see what price COMPLETED sales achieve. An overoptimistic opening bid is not indicative of an actual price. Ebay does give a market range but I find it useless. Also, unsold auctions can teach us a lot about listing. Is the reserve price too high? See what bids DIDN'T meet the reserve. And remember that dealers usually achieve a premium for their cars, especially when they are specialists or authorized.

IMPORTANT -- Remember that ebay gets phony bids. Try not to encourage friends to submit bids to drive up the price. You're probably not going to sell the car. Also, if unsuccessful in your listing, ebay will probably offer you a free relisting. Well, maybe the relisting is free but some extras are still optional.

EVEN MORE IMPORTANT -- Today, we are in a very unstable economic environment. I see a softening of the market in lesser than top-tier cars. It either is going to take longer to sell your car, or a readjustment of your expectations. Don't be discouraged. Good cars sell.

How Options affect value

Got to be honest. Aftermarket kits, especially updated body kits, $20,000 stereos, etc. are great fun. But don't expect them to make their initial investment back. I saw a guy who had a 911SC updated to a 964 bodykit, expensive stereo, tasteless interior installed, etc. He was asking $69,000 for it. Guess what? He eventually relisted it $20,000 less. Guess what? I'm sure he still owns the beast. A 911SC is a 911SC. The car was worth in the teens. You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, as they say.

If you want to improve/customise your car....fantastic! But do it for yourself, not in expectation of a big reward later. There are exceptions. Getting a RUF upgrade from their USA place might be an interesting idea. But you still won't get back your money. Most cars are just used cars. Unless there is a particular demand for the model, say a 356 or early 911, some collectibles such as factory Speedsters, etc. your car probably isn't worth more than you paid for it.

International Opportunities

If you are comfortable with shipping, and with dealing with overseas buyers you can consider some of the eBay Motors foreign markets. With the weakness of the dollar, overseas buyers can achieve a significant savings even with import tax and shipping. Especially with 356's and early 911's. The market is quite crazy there, especially in the UK. But be careful. Yes, be very careful! I wouldn't sell anything without the money in the bank, and verified. Scams abound. I'll cover that later.

Alternatives to Ebay

Say you're not successful on ebay. Well, don't give up hope. There are some other cost-effective methods to get your car out there. Firstly, the time-honored auto classifieds, Hemmings . I've always worried about the lead time, especially in monthlies but now Hemmings is placing their classifieds on their website so that answers that. It does seem that the asking prices are higher in Hemmings but that could be indicative of a more focused clientele than just wishful seller thinking. Worth a try.

Lists are a good resource. Pelican Parts and Rennlist are two that cater to sports cars, and Porsches. They might be better for manual transmission cars than Tiptronics due to the readership, but the price is right.

There are general listings such as Cars.com and AutoTrader.com .Worth checking out even as a supplement to your listings.

Seller Beware

Remember, scams abound on ebay, both buying and selling. Be sure to add language to protect yourself. Unless you sell warrantees state whether anything is covered and the time period. Or state, "AS IS". People are buying used cars and both parties must make an effort to do the right research to protect themselves.

Also, sellers must be extremely careful who they sell to. Low feedback can indicate either a newbie to ebay, or someone who changed their identity to hide negative feedback. Negative feedback should be a warning sign. Too much of that and you might consider canceling their bids. Some people ask for a higher deposit from these buyers.

Pay attention to the ebay warnings about scams. Foreign buyers can be a godsend with the dollar dropping. They can also be scam artists. Beware people who send a deposit higher than asked, and who request you to send back the difference in cash. You're not that stupid, are you? Certified checks can be forged. It isn't enough to deposit a check. The bank will credit your account for the funds. If the check is no good, they'll just as quickly take out the funds. Remember, it can take weeks for a check to clear, especially if foreign. Go to your bank manager, ask them to find out that the check is real. There's a system in place for this procedure. You don't want to find out that you're out tens of thousands AFTER you ship the car.

So the operative word is CHECK. Check the buyer. Check the check. When in doubt ask for cash or wired funds. Then give them the car. If the buyer is legit he or she won't mind.

A Success Story

One car I was interested in was a 95 Cabriolet located in Florida. The listing was outstanding. His description of car, its' features and add ons (Artec wheels, LoJack, Kicker Sub and associated amps, rear seat delete, factory option of locking storage, etc.), detailed notes on body structure, etc....as I said,outstanding. He offered his assistance in shipping, both domestic and foreign. Everything was clear. Then, the icing on the cake. The photos. A couple dozen clear photos on the listing page. AND a link to a Picassa web album containing dozens more pictures. Other than being there, it was a close second.

Now the interesting part was that the seller had the car listed on Autotrader at a decent price. But no buyers. So he listed on ebay. I had submitted a bid at book. I knew it was going to go higher. And I had seen the ad on Autotrader so I knew in general what he was looking to get. I had the winning bid till a few days before auction end. Then he started receiving questions...some from clueless buyers (what kind of coolant does it have?) and dealers who knew that the car was worth a nice bit more. And also queries from Europe. At the end of the auction it went for over two thousand more than it was listed for on Autotrader. While sad that I didn't get it, was so happy for the seller (who I've had some great email conversations with...and knew that this was an upfront and honest guy).

The car wasn't perfect (although was pretty close), but the listing was! And his return showed how a little effort, honest presentation, and clarity really pays off. By the way, he got over six thousand over book price! Just goes to show that people will pay for the right car!

This is just an overview of the process. Good luck with your sale!

There is a growing sub-market for low-mileage examples of classic and sportscars. What? Is this something new? Not at all. But the extremes of the marketing and sales of cars based on non-use is a bit scary.

We all know about Ferraris. It's like you have normal, high depreciation for age. And then higher depreciation on mileage. Does anyone see a modern era Ferrari with normal driving mileage numbers? I don't. Of course, it doesn't matter if you drive it or not, recommended (highly) servicing is based not only on mileage, but on age, whether you drive the car or not. Until recently, it was as if they made servicing a profit center as valuable to dealers as the initial sale. That you have to take out an engine to change a cambelt on a car used for negligible mileage. And, as they say, 'While we are at it' can add thousands in additional work. On a car that might have a couple of thousand miles on it. Thank god servicing is getting more rational the past few years. But still, drive or not drive the car, figure out what every week depreciation is costing you. It's up there with Rolls! Of course, as they say, if you have to worry about it, you can't afford it.

But let's get past Ferrari. It's still an amazing marque. And there is a rationalization of mileage for the older models prior to the 360's. Or should I say, the higher model ranges like the 288GTO's, F-40's, F-50's etc. Use is not as important with cars with limited mintages.

Now, what about other marques? Well, there is a group of Porsche specialists here in the US, in the UK and EU that are pushing up the numbers on early 911's. Well, it's expected. There is attrition naturally. And rust and restoration costs. But it's the ultra low mileage example pricing that is worrying. I'm seeing cars going for two, three, four and more times market value for a car with just a few thousand miles. It's like Ferrari fever. I'm sorry, I don't put the 964 Turbo in a 993 Turbo S range. But since there is a finite number of Turbo S's around, dealers need to play the next nearest hand. And 356 cabs are not Speedsters. Heck, 356 Roadsters aren't Speedsters. So while the price of restored 356 Speedsters has been pretty much stagnant in the under 200k range, Roadsters that had a mild premium over Cabriolets have been pushing up and up. 993 prices have stabilized since the replacement 996's are going for dirt money. And now impact bumper cars are starting to slowly move up. I, for one, while I appreciate the bullet-proof engine, don't see them going higher than 964's and 993's.

But there is another worrying aspect to not only Ferraris, Porsches, and other sports cars. Low mileage equals low use. And I don't care what car we're talking about, things go with age. Fuel and brake lines, rust, mechanical parts lose their lube, rubber and fittings age. And worse. An unused car can literally be a dangerous car. So in addition to paying a premium of no miles, you have to add re-commissioning costs to the base purchase price. Honestly, I'd rather have a loved car, one that the previous owner not only maintained but used as it was meant to be, than a static display.

So it's a balancing act between cost, mileage, maintenance, and condition. It's up to you on whether the price asked takes everything in account.

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